brian is not live
@briang
like chill, the majority of my family lives there and seem happier than most of my American friends
yes the government is far from perfect but ffs relax
also I’m hugely biased but so are you!
tim reilly
@tldr
@saymore — I’m not sure I agree with you (I’m in the biased camp on other side) but I v much appreciate this opinion bc:
1. I know you genuinely mean it
2. You have context many don’t have
3. It challenges what could be groupthink
Perfect opp for my first “saymore”!
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briang is live on unlonely
@briang
⭐ Threadstarter
kinda weird the amount of hate the CCP gets on this app
I’ll talk more about this when I get back home from China
but basically I think it’s extremely optimistic to have this much fear/hate for a countries govt and to not think that any of that spills over onto Chinese(or Asian) people
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Hard agree - looking forward to your thoughts
borodutch 👈👈😎👖💨
@farcasteradmin.eth
blink twice if you're held hostage by xi
borodutch 👈👈😎👖💨
@farcasteradmin.eth
but i agree that feelings toward gvmnt should not translate to biases towards citizens
Sher Chaudhary
@sher
im an american. am i allowed to be vocally critical of the CCP?
ted (not lasso)
@ted
Caution: don’t mistake critique for hate.
China’s greater Bay Area has outpaced most every country in innovation (patents, transportation, RE) with city GDPs topping Canada and the UK now. Incredibly impressive.
Their speed trains operate as interconnected notes that the US won’t have until 2590 (if ever).
timdaub 🥝/🫦
@timdaub.eth
@cameron which cadst do I watch to get notified when more was said?
markus - ethOS - e/acc-d
@markus
Tianamen Square Massacre 1989, Uyghurs suffering. No, I think it deserves the criticism it gets
bchow
@bchow
Agreed. We are still in the very early stages of nation states being decoupled from their associated cultures and ethnicities. It is hard for people to be unbiased against ethnic groups when our languages still use homonyms to represent most ethnicities + nationalities
meesh
@meesh
It’s always the people that suffer or live in denial when it comes to oppressive governments.
I’m Taiwanese. While it’s not formally recognized as a country—it’s a fully democratic society with its own elected officials, currency, systems, culture, and people…real people with our own ways of living.
meesh
@meesh
I have no qualms about people who are Chinese. However, the CCP is threatening my home, family, and attempting to take away our ways of living.
Again, it’s the people who suffer. Think about the people of HK, so many of whom I’ve met and are completely crushed because they’ve lost their home and identity.
tldr (tim reilly)
@tldr
I spent quite a bit of time in China (~6 months of the last 6 years)
My mental model is that it’s really critical to differentiate bt “China”, “CCP”, and “the Chinese people”.
That being said, I super dislike CCP bc:
1. Systematic abuse of Africa
2. COVID-0 handling
3. “Our dear friend Putin”
Jason — q/dau
@jachian
It’s a nuanced topic. My wife grew up and has parents in Beijing
Her opinions are that she’s obviously living in the US for good reasons, but that Americans (like me) are quite delusional to the atrocities of our foreign policy decisions
Ed O'Shaughnessy
@eddieosh
Sophisticated societies have sophisticated propaganda.
The West is no longer a sophisticated society.
osama
@osama
every side has its version of truth and propaganda. all have done almost similar magnitude 💩 towards someone.
but I agree that North Americans need to travel more and need to gtfo of their 🫧
cnn/fox/twitter are cancer
Bias 🫧 b/ias
@bias
4. Unlonely wouldn’t even be allowed to exist
(Their outlook on crypto)
tldr (tim reilly)
@tldr
🙏wishing your fam well.
Also, I absolutely loved Hong Kong. Was aable to be there during the 2019 protests (by accident).
Will never forget it!! People taking real risks for what they love.
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Watch the thread for now - still nailing down the best approach tbh but the bot will cast the final work on the original cast rn (inshallah)
Would you subscribe to a request to get notified?
briang is live on unlonely
@briang
yea the way China has been handling Taiwan post civil war isn’t great — im also not Taiwanese so I lack important context
I guess what I’m saying is for every 10 negative posts on China I’d like to see just 1 positive / neutral
US does a lotta fucked shit wrt foreign policy but also does good stuff too
Matt Lee
@mattlee
Why is it optimistic to separate the gov and people. If it’s not a democracy then aren’t they literally separate?
briang is live on unlonely
@briang
they often do! or at least other people may interpret it as so
Matt Lee
@mattlee
Also would you be comfortable casting from there with the opposite claim? Not picking on u genuinely curious
Muchao Tang
@xcopy
Tough for US people to not hate CCP when mainstream media constantly portraits them like demons. Don't think much can be done there until US no longer see China as a threat.
To turn around hatred on Chinese, it's worth learning from Japan & Korean. Exporting culture via games & music makes them feel more "relatable".
Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
I’d be happy to debate you on the CCP on @unlonely. I’ll bring along Chrome tabs to share live. :)
briang is live on unlonely
@briang
sure if that’s what people want
might be time for some new guests tho
Matt Lee
@mattlee
It is indeed what the pwople want
Liang良😬q/dau
@liang
I'd be happy to provide more context for your chrome tabs for or against them. I consider myself a level-headed Chinese passport holder growing up in CCP China
Liang良😬q/dau
@liang
for context, there is about 100mil ccp party members out of the 1.4b population, about 7%, from hard core loyalist to opportunist
Liang良😬q/dau
@liang
and quite lots of them simply want to 'do good'
Liang良😬q/dau
@liang
debate implies a foundational disagreement. I would call it a much needed dialogue @dwr.eth @briang
Chaotic Neutral
@jayce
Or for open/critical speech for that matter.
zico
@zico
why not do on moz?
@antonio for sure would show up on that day
😗 all
Paul Millerd
@pmillerd
I think this is an underrated point. Have traveled all over and one thing I think about a lot - most people are leaving decent lives not absorbed in political drama.
Though the US seems to be leading the way to turn all of life into a never ending info war
Sel
@selena
Agreed. Not just Americans too.
Colin Johnson
@cojo.eth
This is kinda like rolling into a vegan restaurant and proclaiming “I can’t believe how much hate eating veal gets in here!”
briang is live on unlonely
@briang
yea really hope farcaster doesn’t become a vegan restaurant
David Moon
@davidmoon
To be fair, I’ve seen and experienced a rapid rise in Asian hate crimes since Covid.
Wouldn’t say that hate against CCP doesn’t create similar issues, given what happened in the US with Japanese Americans during WWII.
However, the narrative has always remained the same for any global superpower. (Continued)
David Moon
@davidmoon
The fear of any foreign power disrupting the west is portrayed as “threatening.” We can see this from mythical creatures such as Orcs.
If you trace it back to the super old days, Orcs are a byproduct of when the mongols almost took over the entire western hemisphere during the age of Kubilai Khan. (Continued)
David Moon
@davidmoon
@briang your assertions are:
1. CCP hate = hate towards China and Chinese.
2. Hate towards China and Chinese = Asian hate.
3. CCP hate = Asian hate.
Maybe you’re coming from the angle that East Asians look pretty similar from an ethnic perspective, but I’m not quite sure as if this logic follows. (Continued)
David Moon
@davidmoon
A lot of Asians outside of the US and China really don’t like the CCP. I don’t even have to dig into the internment camps in Xinjiang.
A fairly unbiased point is the one belt one road initiative, which has bankrupt many Asian counties that are no longer able to protect their sovereignty. (Continued)
David Moon
@davidmoon
I think a better argument would be to take concession to the fact that there’s a lot of things that the CCP is doing which is negatively impacting democracy and its surrounding neighbors, but highlight that the CCP doesn’t necessarily represent China or Chinese culture as a whole. (continued)
David Moon
@davidmoon
That having said, you do bring up a good point as Xenophobia is fairly media driven, and there are a lot of shit that East Asians (anyone that looks Chinese) have to deal with in Western countries. (End)
David Moon
@davidmoon
@essay
David Moon
@davidmoon
Tiktok bro
David Moon
@davidmoon
Only when your freedom of speech isn’t censored by the viewership of the Chinese people like the NBA.
elesel.eth
@lsl
heard its hard to get ahold of a copy in China
llbxdll
@mrbriandesign
Is Farcaster vegan ? 😮
Colin Johnson
@cojo.eth
In this metaphor, eating meat = authoritarianism
Colin Johnson
@cojo.eth
Agreed on the other point
Lawson.fm
@lwsnbaker
+1 ideological diversity = good for society as all sides have extremes which likely need normalizing
Drew Volpe
@drew
Key thing few in the US appreciate is that the CCP is responsible for the largest reduction in extreme poverty in history.
Everyone 50+ remembers being really poor.
nir.eth 🌿🟣🐦☁️
@nir
People are pretty critical of the us here too and I think they should be of both. Honestly think Chinese citizens should feel the pressure and enact change. Wayyy too much apathy towards China’s atrocities imho
Ryan Reef
@ryanreef
This is very frustrating to me as an American. All countries have problems.
Chaotic Neutral
@jayce
Am I missing some deeply racist dark corner of Farcaster? Contextually this feels like a friendly fire situation. Web3 community is inherently pro-decentralization and all governments are based on varying degrees of centralized command. The best part of every country and the worst part of every government is its people
dinislam
@dinislam.eth
Bigoted people will always find reasons to justify their bigotry. This doesn't mean we shouldn't call out genocide, violations of intl law, and threats of invasion of our allies.
Geo Ppls
@geoppls
I mean, they are encroaching on a war with the US. We are all choosing sides.
Joan Westenberg
@daojoan
“The government is far from perfect” is an extremely kind way of putting it.
Joan Westenberg
@daojoan
America does fucked up things but A) they aren’t committing genocide and B) I could publish an article in the US accusing the US of committing genocide and not have my freedom violated.
We are biased against the CCP for incredibly valid reasons.
dinislam
@dinislam.eth
hey but racist people might use what you say to justify their racism!
Joan Westenberg
@daojoan
And if your family are happier in China than they are in the US it seems like a safe bet that they aren’t LGBT, Muslim etc.
Muchao Tang
@xcopy
it's different from culture export - nobody goes on Tiktok for Chinese content. The closest thing we have is Genshin but people in the US generally don't think of it as a Chinese game
Muchao Tang
@xcopy
The most successful one recently was Liziqi on Youtube, but RIP...
peterdrood.eth
@pdr
Here for this.
Have you had a chance to visit China?
nir.eth 🌿🟣🐦☁️
@nir
Would watch
Chaotic Neutral
@jayce
The response of the community here likely comes from how disconcertingly reminiscent this statement is of “Pinochet did nothing wrong.”
Kazi ⚔️
@kazi
*suddenly Thriller plays in background, I grow a perm and a popcorn bag falls on my lap from the heavens