artlu
@artlu
hell naw
transgressive design is a crutch for weak sauce. better to punch up the content
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
@saymore so does that mean it IS better for user attention, but making content better is a longer term fix or do you mean something else?
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Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
⭐ Threadstarter
Neubrutalism or naw?
j4ck • icebreaker
@j4ck.eth
it’s everywhere, not a big fan personally
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
What places are you seeing it?
I’ve seen flashes in like clubhouse and linktree, but v few like full commitments (at least to my untrained eye)
Est3la
@wayseeker
What is this? 😂😭😂😭
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Was trying to find a good example and came across this 😂😂😂
j4ck • icebreaker
@j4ck.eth
is only one i can think of off the top of my head rn but have seen a handful of times
j4ck • icebreaker
@j4ck.eth
“everywhere” may have been an exaggeration lol
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Oh cool thanks for sharing 🫡
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
😂 it’s definitely spreading a bit
zack
@labadie.eth
Good at grabbing attention in a sea of Inter rounded rect sameness, but not much else. Trendy in the derogatory sense 99% of the time imo
Est3la
@wayseeker
Sorry to disappoint that person but functionality definitely does not include punching people in the eyes👀 with non compliant ADA color standards 🤭
WakΞ
@wake
neubreu neutral atm
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Respectable 🫡
WakΞ
@wake
I like my drop shadows blurry god dammit
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Any specifics you don’t like?
Jonny Mack
@nonlinear.eth
feel like i've seen this a thousand times before? idk i'm kind of a design snob don't listen to me. some inspiration:
(h/t @bias)
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Well it’s a little late to tell me not to listen to you since you’re already coming on the stream on Thursday 😅
Jonny Mack
@nonlinear.eth
😂 ok fair. my advice is to be as weird as possible while also being ✨delightful✨
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
sry wuznt listnin
Matthew
@matthewmorek
Probably good enough for marketing stuff and maybe funky games, but not great for everyday apps or long form writing on the web.
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
what kind of marketing stuff does this make you think of?
Matthew
@matthewmorek
Likely art-related, something of this smells of “web-like-pop-art”. Dropbox uses it, Whereby uses it, a lot of other brands that like to differentiate themselves use it.
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
I hear that!
I can see whereby, but where are you seeing it with dropbox?
artlu.eth
@artlu
first, it's a shortcut/trick, hence more likely to have negative consequences after the user realizes their subconscious quality/relevance signals misfired.
second, it's a crutch for the designer to be flashy rather than focused on delivering the message
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
If the content was good would the "trick" turn into something useful for the reader?
Alex Palmer
@thatalexpalmer.eth
Straight up hate it for the stupidity that it bloody is.
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
care to expand?
artlu.eth
@artlu
possibly yes, but it's risky
it's like the Wonderbra effect
Matthew
@matthewmorek
Looks like they’ve toned it down quite a bit from the initial relaunch 1-2 years back. Mostly colours and typography, not really other elements like buttons.
Matthew
@matthewmorek
Here’s a bit more
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
ah okay that makes sense - thanks for diving into it!
Alex Palmer
@thatalexpalmer.eth
Modern brutalism in UI takes on patterns of anti-design ( which most of the time aims to offend rather than help. "Because bad design is funny and we hate designers and harbour contempt users" - citation needed.
It's reactionist without substance or any nuance.
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
So are you more annoyed how the collection of the design elements work together rather than any individual component/color/style/etc itself?
matthias
@iammatthias
Hate is a strong word for it, but I am really not a fan.
It seems like a style developed to mask empirically bad design. It eschews the raw refinement of traditional brutalism in favor of haphazard manufactured rebellion.
It can be done well, but I struggle to think of an example off the top of my head.
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
So interesting - what's your favorite example of web design with good ux?
matthias
@iammatthias
Loaded question.
IMO the web is fundamentally broken due to compounded attempts to translate 3d human interaction into 2d context streams
For raw UX in the current landscape, Apple’s Human Interface stuff is a rock solid North Star
For a design language, do what feels right for you instead of being cookie cutter
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Wasn't trying to gotcha or anything, just genuinely trying to understand how people think of design.
It's never really been my comfort zone and want to grow
Appreciate your thoughts!
matthias
@iammatthias
Didn’t take it as a gotcha! But it is a loaded question, people have strong opinions on this stuff!
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
yea i'm pleasantly surprised at the energy in this thread haha
Alex Palmer
@thatalexpalmer.eth
TLDR: hate it all.
That’s the thing - design systems only work in relation to a specific product that understands what its customers use it for. Elements in isolation are fundamentally useless.
It’s hard to craft elements that work well together for some hypothetical use case because form should follow function.
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
gotcha gotcha gotcha - appreciate your thoughts dude!
S·G
@esdotge.eth
Trendy Retro Soft
Alex Palmer
@thatalexpalmer.eth
Appreciate you letting me rant for so many casts! 🥲🫡
Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Keep an eye out for more requests to SayMore 👀👀🫡